Naming moments of inspiration as Padmasambhava and Yeshé Tsogyel is not a question of conceptualisation for a practitioner because Padmasanbhava and Yeshé Tsogyel are not concepts, They are an entire gestalt, which is both conceptual and non-conceptual.p166-167, Emailing the Lamas from Afar, Ngakpa Chögyam and Khandro Déchen, Aro Books, 2009, ISBN 978-0-9653948-5-7